SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. The Beyonder was originally an organizer of a massive. One Universe of a difference. -5. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. But it wont be easy by no means. He toke on beyonder and was stated to be LT's superior MM did say that he had become a component of great power, but not quite up. Beyonder at first during SW2 didnt even have a concept of life or death for a while and was even manipulated by normal people, by the end of SW2 he was more knowledgeable but to the basic comrepehension of stuff, Lucy on the other hand is one of the most cunning people in DC and with his power combined he should think of a way to beat PRB other. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Wiki Points. Battles. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. The pre-retcon beyonder is aware of the writer/publishers and can threatening them so that possibly plot resistance. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. Beyonder, spite as usual with beyonder. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)PennywiseThe Crimson King. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. First is the. Wiki Points. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. The value of your argument reached the negatives the moment you put fodder Beyonder above anyone here. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is. 2. Beyonder S T O M P S. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. as omnipotent deities in their respective realities, the OAA Dominates the Hoi Realm. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. The Beyonder is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. CsmicRanker1314 1. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used(yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. -Everyone full powers. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. 5 years ago. 0. ago. Shuma Gorath. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. . 4 years ago #3. While pre retcon beyonder almost gets argued for a lose against toaa after a hard fought battle! So i think pre retcon beyonder = the presence. Ima go with byonder. The only. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Jan 22, 2017. The. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. Round 1: CAS vs. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. New comments cannot be posted. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was also omnipotent "And another "slight" parameter. Jmarshmallow. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Minor nitpick. Pre Retcon Beyonder = TOAA > Eternity 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube (Because part of the power was in Owen Reece) Recent Retcon Beyonder < the marvel abstracts but not by much. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has no physical form, no spiritual form, and or astral form but can take on these forms when he chooses and Beyonder was once Infinite Dimensional and even still his physical form. He represented everything outside the Marvel Universe, while TOAA represents MU. Yglorba • 3 yr. 0. As a result, for his experiment, he. Hence why people differentiate the. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Regardless. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. No prep and no knowledge. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. "Now now thats not true. #. the_doctor. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. From Lucifer #37. Dream of the Endless unable to stop Barbatos, who like Mxyzptlk, will steamroll Beyonder and Molecule Man without even trying. Post-Retcon Beyonder: A cosmic cube being that had split in half, the other side being Molecule Man. 14 years ago. Isn't that pre retcon beyonder? post retcon last i can remember was way weaker than pre retcon beyonder and Fu walks around from High hyperversal to Outerversal. Thanos (w/ HOTU) vs. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. faster. 4 years ago. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Once a lowly lab technician desperate for recognition, Owen Reece miraculously became one of the most powerful beings in existence, the Molecule Man, while fixing an atomic device. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Follow 12318. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. However personally i believe the Overvoid, which is the source of Cosmic Armour Supermans power, is superior to the Beyonder Realm. Then the pre retcon beyonder attacks himself. well omnipotent. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Beyonder 39%. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Vs. Beyonder 39%. 0. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. 4 years ago. This topic is locked from further discussion. Maybe I have used faulty logic regarding this. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. The Beyonder, and Molecule man, are each. The Beyonder and the Molecule Man, also known as Owen Reece, have a complex and tumultuous relationship. Wiki Points. icecream1991. From what I know of Sun Wukong, he doesn't even come close to him. Morals are on for Shuma. Clearly neither is the GEB - but in the sense prior to the retcons he was a character whose will defined reality around him and he was infinitely more powerful than anyone else on. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. This is a spite thread then . (Please add any important quotations that may be missing, ensuring to cite the original source. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. All indications are that. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. . Its not like the writer of marvel has dominon only over character. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with kamehameha. Follow 2882. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. The Beyonder “realizes” something. Thought Robot without any effort. deactivated-621c40d36c53f. Additional comment actions. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. Team 2 = Fusion mode. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 5 years ago. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Forum Posts. KuRuPT Thanosi. • 3 yr. R4 - Pre Retcon Beyonder takes on the 5 and the Defenders members at the same time. This is the biggest mismatch. 140. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. [deleted] • 8 yr. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. Beyonder was an alien entity from Marvel comics who was a multiversal threat and a hero. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. The Beyonder doesn’t know what the abstracts will say. . Rick Sanchez Vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder, The One Above All, The Presence, Azathoth, Doctor Manhattan, The Scarlet King, Sun Wukong, and Homelander Battle Round 1: No prep Round 2: Rick knows about everyone and gets a month of prep. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". post retcon toaa: his power can only work on a multiverse that is stable. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. #1. Pre retcon Beyonder. Destroyah said: Doesn't really change the fact that PR Beyonder was as close you could get to being omnipotent then just being. He wins. Locked post. Dreamxd26. Though with infinite power he is far more concerned about his place in life after being the all and everything within his realm he tries to understand the concepts of Life, Death, and Desire all things that he want experience. Pre Retcon Beyonder. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. Kuuko273. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. Protege is the embodiment of a "no-limits" fallacy though. so the Doomslayer stomps. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. If not, Team 2 with some trouble, since PRB<HOTU. No, he is likely Presence level. Now just imagine 10,000 of them vs 10,000 Celestials. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Pre recon beyonder is not omnipotent, but nigh-omnipotent as there is only 1 omnipotent character in omniverse and in marvel it is the One Above All not Beyonder. Preretcon Beyonder wins. She/Her. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. This is the biggest mismatch. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. Post retcon would be a closer fight. BEYONDERSIn fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. As a scientist, Doctor Manhattan is all about doing things step by step. Do not make any Thanos with HOTU vs threads. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. I can only speak of Pre-Retcon Beyonder since that is who I am familiar with, but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. Pre Retcon Beyonder VS Azathoth 179 results 1 2 3 4 #1 Edited By deactivated-5fb6c77c8d900 I see alot of extrenely OP character being pitted against. Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. User Lists: 0We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. (Pre-Retcon)The Beyonder vs The entirety of DC (excluding The Presence and The Writer) Rules: -Both determine to win at any circumstances. Victory by permanent death or erasure. 1. who universe. Location: Above Earth. He's about cause and effect and. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. You need to be logged in to post comments. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). synnar the. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. ago. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. 8. This topic is locked from further discussion. " Uhhh, yes it does. COIE Anti Monitor. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. He is. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. R2: God stomps. First is the. "No other force or power in existence could. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. 3. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. Pre retcon beyonder was absolutely omnipotent, the equal of the one above all. There are more multiverses in existence than stars in the sky. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. In The Complete Secret Wars #3, Pre-Retcon Beyonder opined that Stephan Strange is stronger than any in the multiverse suspect and had the opportunity to seal him in a pocket dimension ridding the multiverse of him forever. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. Aetherius is a larger infinity than Oblivio and encompasses its entirety, existing as a static realm of pure Anuic Light where all things exist in pure, timeless harmony. A. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control. Pages with a quote from this character will automatically be added here along with the quote. Follow 1963. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. TOAA has complete control over every universe including 616. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. #1 Omega48. . Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. Jim Shooter who was the editor at Marvel at the time said so and the Beyonder himself said so. The Beyonder, a young member of an ancient race known as the Beyonders, was made aware of the Marvel Universe due to an 'accident' orchestrated by the other Beyonders involving Owen Reece. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Pre retcon Beyonder seems omnipotent inside the marvel multiverse because its like comparing a dinosaur to a bunch of ants. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. He. Followers. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. 1. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. Period. Sep 20, 2018. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. so the 1st retcon beyonder. ". The scarlet demon is omnipresent throughout the narrative stacks and normal SK is just a mere avatar of the scarlet demon. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. pre retcon molecule man vs. That was an accident. 11 months ago. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. . His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. The Beyonder didn’t know. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. VS. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. 5 years ago Galactic_1000Every single universe in the entirety of the Marvel multiverse combined is literally a drop in the ocean to Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, The minotors exist in a dimension called "The Bleed", which is basically identical to Marvels "The Beyond". Reviews: 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. . 4 years ago. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is honestly far less impressive than Molecule man, at least current molecule man. The Beyonder has always been a child-like being, which makes him very dangerous. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. it would be mostly stalemate. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had. 1. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. Beyonder on the other hand, flip-flops back and forth as to how powerful he really is because of the inconsistent showings of entities that he has fought and the inconsistency of Beyonder's own showings with his own statements for instance: Beyonder was stated to be Million X Infinity the size of a Multiverse but this is mathematically. Interesting. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (as in, during Secret Wars II) was more powerful than the in-universe hand of the author. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. #8. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Lucifer is a different beast. Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. Beyonder is marvel. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. 0. So I might be missing something. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Follow 22700. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. Who is pre Retcon beyonder? Summary. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. Jackalinthebox said: I thought pre-retcon Beyonder was closer in power to Lucifer & Michael, rather than the Presence. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Somebody can ask the following members to give input here though. Doctor strange opens one in front and back. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Anti-Monitor's probably on the scale of pre-retcon Molecule Man, a foe that Beyonder was able to beat. Lucifer and Micheal are on the Tribunal's level at best. Beyonder erases him from existence. He has way better feats, unless you can provide me a showing for Reinhard superior to being beyond comprehension of Pre-Retcon MM, as well as being above all of Marvel. 2. 7 K. Kingant27. Lucifer is above an Infinitely Layered Creation. 0. A common misconception about HoTU is that it's omnipotent or a fraction of TOAA's power, multiversal and some stuff of the like, the only indicator for this is that thanos absorbed LT during his fight, in terms of power, HoTU isn't a lot more impressive than the IG for an example. " Yep this is a pretty easy win for Frank 14 years ago. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. No one. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. #4. The beyonder is under him. But Lucifer should win this quite handily. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. 2.